Re: New Article "10 Best Java Frameworks to Use in 2021"

Hi Vegeoku,

Could you please elaborate on this?

IMHO tests should help you improve the design of your code, Mockito is the opposite of that, Once I converted some test cases to use manually writing test doubles (spies, fakes, stubs) instead of Mockito to show the other guy how it reduced the code in the test and improves the design. Mockito makes it super easy to look away from design issues.

Thanks,

Juan

P.S. Amazing thread.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 12:47, Josselin Bardet <namjos@gmail.com> wrote:

Le mer. 10 mars 2021 à 16:42, Vegegoku <akabme@gmail.com> a écrit :

Spring: I think the thing I dislike the most about Spring is what many people like about it: it's an entire, wide, and fat, ecosystem. You can hardly use one piece of Spring without using everything else; I mean, each Spring piece builds on top of another Spring piece, so it's basically an all-or-nothing. I also fear that people doing mostly Spring won't know how to do things without it (like most big/fat framework actually).

That does really summaries it about spring, also I hate how it is being overused for simple projects,  Like sucking this huge ecosystem just because we need dependency injection or want to talk to the database (JPA -> spring data) and it ends up building a huge complexity instead of simplifying things.. (Tests for example), I once want to contribute to a project that was using spring to find out that I had to inject a single bean into 500+ other classes using the constructor where even the arguments were not arranged to make this any easier and while doing that I had to fight merge conflicts .. it is overrated and overused .. and I pretty sure that most of spring project developer relay too much on mocking to make the tests faster or avoid such dependency injection hell.

 

Spring is well tested and works well, can handle your transctions, can help you to make AOP, can make dependency injection, etc...

Spring is for me a killer feature, I can't imagine making a project, even simple, without using it.

I don't think nowadays there is a good reason to "optimize" and don't use spring

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