Sunday, January 16, 2022

Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

Hi All,

thanks a lot for the data, really appreciate this 🙏

Apple M1 Max 64: 1m11s (identical with the test in my second article M1 Max)

and Linux AMD (which is much cheaper 😊): 1m33s 
... almost identical with M1 Pro: 1m25s (my first article)

So, for desktop we could just use Linux AMD, cheaper and fast enough 😅

Thanks a lot!
Lofi

leon.p...@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 16. Januar 2022 um 10:17:36 UTC+1:

My current machine has an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, 32GB mem - this was around a 900-1000 euro build from late last year.
I installed the same jdk and used the same mvn (see screenshots)

For normal mvn clean install I had 02:24 and for the mvn -T 1C clean install I had 1:33

I think for another 2-300 euro's for a better processor I could do a lot better still.

Leon.









Op zondag 16 januari 2022 om 02:46:22 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
Hi,

01:11 min was the best I could get with an Apple M1 Max, 64GB.  

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Reactor Summary for gwt-boot-samples 1.0.0-SNAPSHOT:

[INFO] 

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-basic .............................. SUCCESS [ 46.823 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-collection ......................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-core ...................... SUCCESS [ 53.763 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-template .................. SUCCESS [ 53.487 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-rxgwt .............................. SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-domino-rest ........................ SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtbootstrap3 ................... SUCCESS [01:03 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtmaterial ..................... SUCCESS [01:08 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino .......................... SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino-dagger2 .................. SUCCESS [01:10 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-vue-gwt ......................... SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-dncomponents .................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-samples ................................... SUCCESS [  0.181 s]

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Total time:  01:11 min (Wall Clock)

[INFO] Finished at: 2022-01-15T12:39:42-10:00

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shawn
On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 5:38:21 AM UTC-10 lofid...@gmail.com wrote:
@leon.p:

This would be interesting...  Could you try to build the project as I mentioned in my article? To see what time we would get there?

Here is the article: 


and


Record is: 

1. Without -T 1C clean install: 2m21s
2. With -T 1C clean install: 1m13s

Would like to see if someone can get faster than this 😉

Thanks, Lofi
leon.p...@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 15. Januar 2022 um 13:19:48 UTC+1:
For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:17 AM 'Frank Hossfeld' via GWT Users <google-we...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Jens schrieb am Montag, 6. Dezember 2021 um 10:32:15 UTC+1:
I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

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Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

@lofid...@gmail.com

My current machine has an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, 32GB mem - this was around a 900-1000 euro build from late last year.
I installed the same jdk and used the same mvn (see screenshots)

For normal mvn clean install I had 02:24 and for the mvn -T 1C clean install I had 1:33

I think for another 2-300 euro's for a better processor I could do a lot better still.

Leon.









Op zondag 16 januari 2022 om 02:46:22 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
Hi,

01:11 min was the best I could get with an Apple M1 Max, 64GB.  

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Reactor Summary for gwt-boot-samples 1.0.0-SNAPSHOT:

[INFO] 

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-basic .............................. SUCCESS [ 46.823 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-collection ......................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-core ...................... SUCCESS [ 53.763 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-template .................. SUCCESS [ 53.487 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-rxgwt .............................. SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-domino-rest ........................ SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtbootstrap3 ................... SUCCESS [01:03 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtmaterial ..................... SUCCESS [01:08 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino .......................... SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino-dagger2 .................. SUCCESS [01:10 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-vue-gwt ......................... SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-dncomponents .................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-samples ................................... SUCCESS [  0.181 s]

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Total time:  01:11 min (Wall Clock)

[INFO] Finished at: 2022-01-15T12:39:42-10:00

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shawn
On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 5:38:21 AM UTC-10 lofid...@gmail.com wrote:
@leon.p:

This would be interesting...  Could you try to build the project as I mentioned in my article? To see what time we would get there?

Here is the article: 


and


Record is: 

1. Without -T 1C clean install: 2m21s
2. With -T 1C clean install: 1m13s

Would like to see if someone can get faster than this 😉

Thanks, Lofi
leon.p...@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 15. Januar 2022 um 13:19:48 UTC+1:
For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:17 AM 'Frank Hossfeld' via GWT Users <google-we...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Jens schrieb am Montag, 6. Dezember 2021 um 10:32:15 UTC+1:
I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022

Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

Hi,

01:11 min was the best I could get with an Apple M1 Max, 64GB.  

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Reactor Summary for gwt-boot-samples 1.0.0-SNAPSHOT:

[INFO] 

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-basic .............................. SUCCESS [ 46.823 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-collection ......................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-core ...................... SUCCESS [ 53.763 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-template .................. SUCCESS [ 53.487 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-rxgwt .............................. SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-domino-rest ........................ SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtbootstrap3 ................... SUCCESS [01:03 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtmaterial ..................... SUCCESS [01:08 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino .......................... SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino-dagger2 .................. SUCCESS [01:10 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-vue-gwt ......................... SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-dncomponents .................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-samples ................................... SUCCESS [  0.181 s]

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Total time:  01:11 min (Wall Clock)

[INFO] Finished at: 2022-01-15T12:39:42-10:00

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shawn
On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 5:38:21 AM UTC-10 lofid...@gmail.com wrote:
@leon.p:

This would be interesting...  Could you try to build the project as I mentioned in my article? To see what time we would get there?

Here is the article: 


and


Record is: 

1. Without -T 1C clean install: 2m21s
2. With -T 1C clean install: 1m13s

Would like to see if someone can get faster than this 😉

Thanks, Lofi
leon.p...@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 15. Januar 2022 um 13:19:48 UTC+1:
For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:17 AM 'Frank Hossfeld' via GWT Users <google-we...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Jens schrieb am Montag, 6. Dezember 2021 um 10:32:15 UTC+1:
I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

-- J. 

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Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

@leon.p:

This would be interesting...  Could you try to build the project as I mentioned in my article? To see what time we would get there?

Here is the article: 

https://bit.ly/GWTM1ProPerformance

and

https://bit.ly/GWTM1MaxPerformance

Record is: 

1. Without -T 1C clean install: 2m21s
2. With -T 1C clean install: 1m13s

Would like to see if someone can get faster than this 😉

Thanks, Lofi
leon.p...@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 15. Januar 2022 um 13:19:48 UTC+1:
For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:17 AM 'Frank Hossfeld' via GWT Users <google-we...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Jens schrieb am Montag, 6. Dezember 2021 um 10:32:15 UTC+1:
I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

-- J. 

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Thursday, January 13, 2022

Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

>  I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.

Same.  It's been reported to Google:  https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/google-cloud-eclipse/issues/3659#issuecomment-1011900580 

On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 6:39:12 pm UTC+11 Shawn wrote:
Just to correct myself ...

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively. 

Eclipse 2021-12 runs fine with AArch64.  I used the following from the Eclipse Market place which is what caused the trouble — Eclipse m2e - Maven support in Eclipse IDE 

And AArch64 is available before 2021-12 (4.22).  That the first version for a distributed J2EE download though you can get an earlier version and add in J2EE support.

And SDBG debugging still works (debugging in eclipse).  I wasn't able to build the SDBG for Java 11 anymore (I remember it being easy last time) but was able to use the one I'd previously build.

S

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Wednesday, January 12, 2022

Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

Just to correct myself ...
I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively. 

Eclipse 2021-12 runs fine with AArch64.  I used the following from the Eclipse Market place which is what caused the trouble — Eclipse m2e - Maven support in Eclipse IDE 

And AArch64 is available before 2021-12 (4.22).  That the first version for a distributed J2EE download though you can get an earlier version and add in J2EE support.

And SDBG debugging still works (debugging in eclipse).  I wasn't able to build the SDBG for Java 11 anymore (I remember it being easy last time) but was able to use the one I'd previously build.

S

Re: Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:
I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:17 AM 'Frank Hossfeld' via GWT Users <google-we...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Jens schrieb am Montag, 6. Dezember 2021 um 10:32:15 UTC+1:
I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

-- J. 

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