Re: Why Don’t You Use Java for Programming the Client-Side Web Apps on Web Browser?

Hi David,

thanks for your feedback.

Yes, agree with you with all your points... I'm not sure what we could do to show that we are still alive... 😀 At the moment we have following:

• Colin with Vertispan always invites us for an online meetup, here are the results so far: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbTjCnaZEusVEAPBMtnz9Fw
  • Here you can ask everything about GWT / J2CL so you have the access to the GWT / J2CL experts.
• Some of us try to spread the words by writing articles, etc. and also trying to apply for some conference talks. So far not yet successful with conferences.
• I try to write a short / simple deck and it could be used to show the advantages of GWT / J2CL to the managers, see https://bit.ly/gwtintropresentation
• I try to build a "padlet" for Modern GWT / J2CL: https://bit.ly/GWTIntroPadlet

What we could do more:

• Writing a similar web app for Hacker News comparison: https://hnpwa.com -- with GWT / J2CL and chosen UI framework
• Writing an example web app for Spring Petclinic community: https://github.com/spring-petclinic -- using GWT / J2CL
• I'll try to open a new repo for libs, see: https://groups.google.com/g/google-web-toolkit/c/_k8ziDHjiLA/m/wzzxvfEyAAAJ

Thanks,

Lofi

David Nouls schrieb am Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2020 um 11:21:21 UTC+2:

Hi Lofi,

In my company we are the only group that is working with GWT to develop a new customer facing application. We have a few products in maintenance mode that are also using GWT. But most new developments are using Angular.

The biggest problems we are facing with using GWT/Java for the client are:

- Lack of developers with GUI and GWT skills

- Lack of developers who are even willing to learn GWT.  GWT is seen as a dead technology after Google pushed it out.

- Management does not like us to keep on using GWT for the same reason.

I managed to convince management to use GWT for our product because we have a long history of using GWT and we had experience before with the maintenance burdens of using JavaScript in the past. And we can deliver GUI changes quite quickly (in many cases much faster than the teams using Angular).

But we do have a big problem finding GWT developers or finding people who want to learn it. And that is a very big risk for a project.

I know that there is active development going on in GWT and J2CL but, you barely see blog posts about GWT or libraries being released for it.

The gwtproject page is mostly stale, the documentation is mostly about old API's. The more advanced features takes some time to find and learn.

If you compare that with the constant release cycle and amount of info/noise I see related to Angular and other Frameworks then it is understandable that people have the impression that GWT is dead.

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 9:02:18 PM UTC+2 lofid...@gmail.com wrote:

I would like to know, what are the obstacles for you as Java developers not using Java as programming language for writing Web browser apps. Web browser apps are client-side and not server-side Web apps. 

• Open discussion at https://bit.ly/HackerNewsTypeScriptJavaGWT
• Article at https://bit.ly/TypeScriptVsJavaGWT

I would like to know from you... Java developers...

Thanks, Lofi

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