Thursday, May 24, 2012

Re: Google IO 2012 : no GWT session ?

Java is the main language in many enterprise projects and runs on 70% of the mobiles. So no, it won't go away. It is also the main course language for computer science.

So what? That doesn't mean it won't be changed to something else. Also, I'm not talking about the "enterprise". I'm talking about Google's future projects. Google doesn't *have* to stick with Java.

 Dart is not going to be accepted by the other browsers. It is no standard and has no real added value and you can't connect it easily to server side code based on J2EE/EJB3.

You don't know that. Nobody does. It's still very, very early days for dart. Personally, I'm not all that excited about it but wouldn't complain if it became bigger than it is now. As for connecting it back to server side code, I believe you can do server side code with dart also - sorta like node.js.

GO, is a quick and hack language for prototyping. It is not going to replace Java or C#.

Forgive me, you seem to think I was implying Go was going to replace Java or C#. No. I am, however, wondering if it will replace Java *within* Google. It certainly has the potential to do so. It is not a hack. Take a little glance at who developed the language before saying ridiculous things such as that.

GWT, Closure Library, Dart, Native Client can all be summed up into a single package. Served as a complete development environment for developers. If you want to code in C/C++/C# or whatever language you want, it would make sense to bundle Native Client/GWT/Dart/Closure and use something like Emscripten to allow the developer to choose how to deploy their code. Need performance? Native code (NaCl).. Not so concerned about performance? GWT/Dart (javascript). 

Whether or not any of that will happen is a bit question. I think it would be pretty nice. We'll see.
 

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:17:01 AM UTC-4, de Witte wrote:


Op zaterdag 19 mei 2012 09:34:24 UTC+2 schreef kritic het volgende:
Regardless of what the GWT team says, I do believe GWT as it is now will be phased out. Don't get me wrong, I think the features that GWT provides are second to none and the work put into it has been nothing short of impressive, but it has to be recognized that it is also becoming a rather pain in lower back for Google simply because it uses Java. Seems odd, but I really think the whole thing with Android is leaving a bad taste. I really do think Java will become used less and less for future projects (especially GWT).

Java is the main language in many enterprise projects and runs on 70% of the mobiles. So no, it won't go away. It is also the main course language for computer science.

The way GWT is now, like I wrote already, will probably be shifted to something else. Dart is all the rage right now and it's nice, however it almost feels like an attempt to replace GWT. Golang (Go) is another language that is very well thought out and could conceivably replace Java within, at least, Google. 

Dart is not going to be accepted by the other browsers. It is no standard and has no real added value and you can't connect it easily to server side code based on J2EE/EJB3.

GO, is a quick and hack language for prototyping. It is not going to replace Java or C#.
 

Perhaps emscripten has been looked at by the GWT team. Perhaps it may be better to use something like that - which will introduce a mix of languages with all the same features as GWT? I would enjoy that. I think many would. Right now, though, I am keeping my distance from GWT. Even though it's a fantastic technology.

On Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:00:00 AM UTC-4, Celinio Fernandes wrote:
Hello,
I just noticed that the schedule for Google IO 2012 is now available : https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions
Not sure whether it is definitive or not.
I see that this year there is no session dedicated to GWT. How come ?
But there are 2 sessions dedicated to Dart. Is this a sign ?



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